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The Vatican’s chief astronomer says there is no conflict between believing in God and in the possibility of “extraterrestrial brothers” perhaps more evolved than humans.
Asked if he was referring to beings similar to humans or even more evolved than humans, he said: “Certainly, in a universe this big you can’t exclude this hypothesis”. “Why can’t we speak of a ‘brother extraterrestrial‘? It would still be part of creation,” he said.
“As an astronomer, I continue to believe that God is the creator of the universe and that we are not the product of something casual but children of a good father who has a project of love in mind for us,” he said. “Primitive life is very common and intelligent life is fairly rare.” He adds: “Some would say it has yet to occur on earth.”  |
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This is posted in the General Section, and again I agree with the position. Alien life on other planets does not negate the veracity of the Bible.
The Bible says that not very many people (considering the whole scope of humanity) will gain entry into Heaven. If that is true, then millions upon millions of so-called Christians either aren't Christians, or, are going to experience something that destroys their faith.
I have a hunch (not sure if it will happen in my lifetime) that the event that will strip the majority of 'Christians' of their faith, might be a visit by an alien race that performs scientific "miracles" and then tells us the whole Bible is a facade that they came up with centuries ago to keep us under control, etc. |
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Maybe that happened with Rosewell, it the story is true? The government reasons for the coverup of UFO sightings is becasue of the fear, the religious base will not be able to handle it.
Who knows, maybe the opposite will happen, it may affirm faith instead. |
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| It would probably be the biggest test of my faith that I can think of. I personally hope it doesn't happen in my lifetime. When I think about how weak and vulnerable my faith is, I hope I am not put in a position like that. |
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Is it possible that the aliens are here and have been for millenium?
Look at the supernatural beliefs recorded in the sacred books.
Men rising from the dead, ascending to heaven. Supernatural miracles,
such as Fatima and so many others.
I think if aliens are here, they created our god beliefs* for us. Then maybe
a debate could ensue whether this was a positive or a negative for the
advancement of mankind.
Yeah, right 
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The hypothesis that aliens were entirely responsible for biblical events, is becoming more and more popular. It's permeating our culture through books, movies and regular TV. In about 50 years it wouldn't surprise me if the majority believes it.
It's a tough nut to crack for me. I do believe in aliens but I don't know where to go with that belief.
Part of me (through heresay at first) kind of believes these aliens, i.e. the "greys" are Satan's children and demonic in nature. It goes without saying that it would be a great assault on Christianity on Satan's part, to have aliens perform miracles and show "footage" or some kind of "proof" that they staged all the Biblical events in the Old and New Testament. |
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The hypothesis that aliens were entirely responsible for biblical events, is becoming more and more popular. It's permeating our culture through books, movies and regular TV. In about 50 years it wouldn't surprise me if the majority believes it.
It's a tough nut to crack for me. I do believe in aliens but I don't know where to go with that belief.
Part of me (through heresay at first) kind of believes these aliens, i.e. the "greys" are Satan's children and demonic in nature. It goes without saying that it would be a great assault on Christianity on Satan's part, to have aliens perform miracles and show "footage" or some kind of "proof" that they staged all the Biblical events in the Old and New Testament. |
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The hypothesis that aliens were entirely responsible for biblical events, is becoming more and more popular. It's permeating our culture through books, movies and regular TV. In about 50 years it wouldn't surprise me if the majority believes it.
It's a tough nut to crack for me. I do believe in aliens but I don't know where to go with that belief.
Part of me (through heresay at first) kind of believes these aliens, i.e. the "greys" are Satan's children and demonic in nature. It goes without saying that it would be a great assault on Christianity on Satan's part, to have aliens perform miracles and show "footage" or some kind of "proof" that they staged all the Biblical events in the Old and New Testament. |
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Rob, I have detected a little disturbence in your usual force field. Have you
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| tarsustom wrote: |
The hypothesis that aliens were entirely responsible for biblical events, is becoming more and more popular. It's permeating our culture through books, movies and regular TV. In about 50 years it wouldn't surprise me if the majority believes it.
It's a tough nut to crack for me. I do believe in aliens but I don't know where to go with that belief.
Part of me (through heresay at first) kind of believes these aliens, i.e. the "greys" are Satan's children and demonic in nature. It goes without saying that it would be a great assault on Christianity on Satan's part, to have aliens perform miracles and show "footage" or some kind of "proof" that they staged all the Biblical events in the Old and New Testament. |
I can agree with your trouble about the issue...though the appearance of aliens wouldnt challenge my belief in God in any way.
Here's the problem. Some would say, in an infinite universe, surely God, if God is Infinitely Huge, wouldn't just create one planet with life on it....but then another camp would say that this is absolutely the earmark of the existence of God in reference to the "uniqueness" of Earth as the center of Gods attention.....
My feelings are that there are levels of life all along the scale, from amoeba, which have absolutely no conception of the world we perceive as the world, let alone the universe or God, and we move "up" on the scale, differening species on earth experiencing specialized differing dimensions of existence and perception....then we reach humans, who can perceive of the globes and surmise (barely) about the size and "structure" of the "universe" but that's pretty much the limit to our conceptual understanding until you reach over into the metaphysical....the bible certainly speaks of angels, and even other very real (g)ods ....my view on aliens is that they are simply another level (who cares up or down, this is relative anyway) of life....(what are called) angels are another, and there are probably many many others all the way "up" until we reach God, who would be the ultimate end, or pinnacle, to the concept of life, who permeates all things and exists in all places....the point where there are no more limitations...one mind at the top in all and through all other things. |
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The hypothesis that aliens were entirely responsible for biblical events, is becoming more and more popular. It's permeating our culture through books, movies and regular TV. In about 50 years it wouldn't surprise me if the majority believes it.
It's a tough nut to crack for me. I do believe in aliens but I don't know where to go with that belief.
Part of me (through heresay at first) kind of believes these aliens, i.e. the "greys" are Satan's children and demonic in nature. It goes without saying that it would be a great assault on Christianity on Satan's part, to have aliens perform miracles and show "footage" or some kind of "proof" that they staged all the Biblical events in the Old and New Testament. |
I can agree with your trouble about the issue...though the appearance of aliens wouldnt challenge my belief in God in any way.
Here's the problem. Some would say, in an infinite universe, surely God, if God is Infinitely Huge, wouldn't just create one planet with life on it....but then another camp would say that this is absolutely the earmark of the existence of God in reference to the "uniqueness" of Earth as the center of Gods attention.....
My feelings are that there are levels of life all along the scale, from amoeba, which have absolutely no conception of the world we perceive as the world, let alone the universe or God, and we move "up" on the scale, differening species on earth experiencing specialized differing dimensions of existence and perception....then we reach humans, who can perceive of the globes and surmise (barely) about the size and "structure" of the "universe" but that's pretty much the limit to our conceptual understanding until you reach over into the metaphysical....the bible certainly speaks of angels, and even other very real (g)ods ....my view on aliens is that they are simply another level (who cares up or down, this is relative anyway) of life....(what are called) angels are another, and there are probably many many others all the way "up" until we reach God, who would be the ultimate end, or pinnacle, to the concept of life, who permeates all things and exists in all places....the point where there are no more limitations...one mind at the top in all and through all other things. |
We have hierarchy on Earth(Someone needs to be in charge, might as well be men)
I guess it is the same in Heaven.
Check out the Urantia Book(Bible)
http://skepdic.com/urantia.html |
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absolutely.
and let me say this, these beliefs of mine I speak of, do not hinge on dogma, or specific doctrine or anything like that from organized religion...i am speaking merely from a standpoint of observation of the nature of life on earth, and surmising that it must extend in all directions throughout the entire physical and meta-physical universe as well. |
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The hypothesis that aliens were entirely responsible for biblical events, is becoming more and more popular. It's permeating our culture through books, movies and regular TV. In about 50 years it wouldn't surprise me if the majority believes it.
It's a tough nut to crack for me. I do believe in aliens but I don't know where to go with that belief.
Part of me (through heresay at first) kind of believes these aliens, i.e. the "greys" are Satan's children and demonic in nature. It goes without saying that it would be a great assault on Christianity on Satan's part, to have aliens perform miracles and show "footage" or some kind of "proof" that they staged all the Biblical events in the Old and New Testament. |
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I don't know what your beef is with my post but I can tell you this: The debate on aliens vs. God is very active and relevant in the intellectual community. I don't think I've watched too much TLC/Discovery/Travel Channel where this subject is approached daily by intellectuals and scholars... I think it really is an important subject for debate and is becoming increasingly popular and relevant.
As far as the hypothesis being the aliens being demons... maybe that's the part you found to be absurd or whatever? Um, you're right, that's not a very popular opinion and I already said I wasn't completely sold on it. But you have to admit, the descriptions of aliens having the abilities that they have, sounds very much like a being with psychic powers or spiritual powers. The physical description of them alone sounds downright demonic. Hey, if you want to read something interesting, read the Book of Enoch. It's a cheap Amazon.com purchase in paperback. He had first hand experience with this stuff and I believe his account!! And since I do, it really has to allow for the possibility of some crazy sounding stuff.
The Bible doesn't hold back on stuff like that either. You know... the Seraphim... and other "celestial" beings.
I'll never know the answers... in fact I'm not even sure God is going to reveal His reasons for everything after we die. He never promised to. I'm sure if I pester Him enough, He'll tell me. That's my plan, at least. |
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well, to be fair tarsus, there is quite a bit of (what some call) evidence to support that particular belief (aliens as demons).
as you may know, some believe that in genesis where they speak of the sons of god having sex with the daughters of men, it is really describing angels/demons impregnating human women which some believe leads to the race of "giants", or otherwise strange life forms, which some THEN go on to believe had a big part in corrupting and ultimately leading to the destruction of the human race by God.
although far-fetched as it may be, i suppose it could very easily be true, but then the progression for some is to suggest that the aliens are wholly responsible for all of our religion and belief in the God thing....as you may know it is becoming increasingly popular to believe that aliens ARE our (notions of) Gods, and that they in fact created us, put us here as a sort of experiment or something, and etc.
I wouldnt rule out the fact that aliens could be used by God as a tool in creation just as God uses ANYTHING as a tool, but it stinks (to me) of mass deception so that once the aliens do make their presence known some (many) may very well buy the argument of them being our Gods...
an interesting topic nonetheless. |
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well, to be fair tarsus, there is quite a bit of (what some call) evidence to support that particular belief (aliens as demons).
as you may know, some believe that in genesis where they speak of the sons of god having sex with the daughters of men, it is really describing angels/demons impregnating human women which some believe leads to the race of "giants", or otherwise strange life forms, which some THEN go on to believe had a big part in corrupting and ultimately leading to the destruction of the human race by God. |
Yes, absolutely. That's all about the Book of Enoch. If you read it, I guarantee you get chills. I have been brought to tears more than once by that book.
The contemporary view in the Christian Church is, the "sons of God" that impregnated the women were actually just men who were godly believers. But I think the obvious, glaring implication is, these sons of God were angels. And the Book of Enoch explains all of it in detail!!! But the Church, rather than reverse their entrenched position, rejects the Book of Enoch.
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| although far-fetched as it may be, i suppose it could very easily be true, but then the progression for some is to suggest that the aliens are wholly responsible for all of our religion and belief in the God thing....as you may know it is becoming increasingly popular to believe that aliens ARE our (notions of) Gods, and that they in fact created us, put us here as a sort of experiment or something, and etc. |
Yes, that describes this "great deception" that I think might happen to humanity in the future, when the ET's reveal themselves.
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I wouldnt rule out the fact that aliens could be used by God as a tool in creation just as God uses ANYTHING as a tool, but it stinks (to me) of mass deception so that once the aliens do make their presence known some (many) may very well buy the argument of them being our Gods...
an interesting topic nonetheless. |
I wouldn't rule out God using "aliens" as a tool because they could be angels and demons. I also think it's possible that other physical races exist on other planets and they too are part of God's plan of redemption. But I do not believe we were placed here by an ancient race of beings.
Zecharia Sitchin straddles the fence on it, perhaps successfully. He thinks we were brought here by an alien race, but, God created them too and we are just part of the story. |
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