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| then Bush was supposed to PREEMPTIVELY kill or capture Bin Laden. |
There was no Pre-emption regarding taking out Bin Laden, The USS COLE happened before Bush was in office, he was within rights for a retaliatory strike or arrest.
Jaack were you even born before 2000? |
Oh yes. I know when the Cole happened. But then after all the algore and D'RAt hype about the election your ilk would have branded hime something similar to what you have now.
So Iraq also happened before he took office, and clintoris didn't take care of that so Bush, finally decided yeah, F the D'RATS they know nothing and I'm kicking some ass. Alas we have and good for The President and GOOD for America!!! |
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| Yep Iraq happened before that and it was Bush Sr. who decided to not to take out SH. Every president has a 90 window for military operations without congressional oversight, so quit calling names and laying blame for 9-11 wre its not due. OBL's original excuse dates from G.W.I and the US Military in Saudia Arabia with female troops offbase not clothed modestly enough. 'Infidels on holy land' is what the phrase was. |
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Yawn.........
next you'll be telling us the because of clinton, the usa is in the worst finacial shape it has ever been in.
hell lets just say clinton caused the bengals 12 season losing streak.
Can some one in US please tell me whay americans hate clinton so much, i know he stuffed up on a few occasions (all politians do) but he left america in the best shape it had been in, in a very long time. It seriously confuses the hell outta me.
I did not like John howard while he was in power here but i tell you what i have nothing but amiration for him and how good a state he left this country in. So like i said some of the things he did at the time i never agree'd with but now i am like he was doing for the good of the country |
It's all part of 'their' mantra especially during election time. It might do them good if Obama wins as they will have someone else to blame for all their phuckups without having to resort to Clinton, who for all practical purposes has been used up in this propaganda-like blame game.
They're going to need someone to be at fault for the last 8 years, and in a big way thus helping Dubya be elevated to the false mythical status they have bestowed upon that two bit actor Reagan.
I still look for Dubya and friends to take Bin-Laden's body off the ice and make it look like Bush 'Got Him' right before he has to leave office, thus enhancing what's left of the current president's legacy and enabling McCain a better chance at the WhiteHouse.
It appears there is alot at stake for the White-Right coming up this November. |
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There can also be the possibillity that both the Democrats and Republicans are just fooling around with you people making you think they are rivals but in reallity they work together to do anything they want.
If they Clintons did this then it would benefit them and Bush at the same time... |
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There can also be the possibillity that both the Democrats and Republicans are just fooling around with you people making you think they are rivals but in reallity they work together to do anything they want.
If they Clintons did this then it would benefit them and Bush at the same time... |
Seems possible.
I've been on a couple of other sites that portrayed an outward image of being with or leaning towards the Democrats, but in all reality were gathering information and pandering for the Right. A goodcop/badcop operation designed to confuse, falsely influence, uproot the truth and relace it with crabgrass. If they couldn't fool you, they would either shun or ban you.
Naught but Crows and other winged carrion eaters squaking down from dead trees.
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Yawn.........
next you'll be telling us the because of clinton, the usa is in the worst finacial shape it has ever been in.
hell lets just say clinton caused the bengals 12 season losing streak.
Can some one in US please tell me whay americans hate clinton so much, i know he stuffed up on a few occasions (all politians do) but he left america in the best shape it had been in, in a very long time. It seriously confuses the hell outta me.
I did not like John howard while he was in power here but i tell you what i have nothing but amiration for him and how good a state he left this country in. So like i said some of the things he did at the time i never agree'd with but now i am like he was doing for the good of the country |
It's all part of 'their' mantra especially during election time. It might do them good if Obama wins as they will have someone else to blame for all their phuckups without having to resort to Clinton, who for all practical purposes has been used up in this propaganda-like blame game.
They're going to need someone to be at fault for the last 8 years, and in a big way thus helping Dubya be elevated to the false mythical status they have bestowed upon that two bit actor Reagan.
I still look for Dubya and friends to take Bin-Laden's body off the ice and make it look like Bush 'Got Him' right before he has to leave office, thus enhancing what's left of the current president's legacy and enabling McCain a better chance at the WhiteHouse.
It appears there is alot at stake for the White-Right coming up this November. |
Yall seem to forget that in 91, 92, 93 Clintoris refinanced the national debt with SHORT TERM bonds. They had lower intrest rates, but would be due in 7 years or so. Then even his OWN Treasury projections SHOWED the deficit and debt going through the roof after he left office, actualy before becasue of refinancing the debt, and rebuilding all the military and INNTELLIGENCE apparatus clintoris and his minions destroyed.
SO Yeah Clintoris is a HUGE PART of the debt. PLUS we lost trillions of $$$$ from 9/11 and all the income the towers would have generated all these years Bush has been in office.
SO again YEAH clintoris is to blame, and at some point history will get it correct, cause you in the mob of Mainstream [codeword for leftist] Media's wake of excrement can't handle truth or facts. |
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Jaack. I think your wrong.
BUT it's really hard for me to debate this issue because, i am not in america and don't know all about what happened during the clinton years but i am learning more and more.
Having said that, it cost 100 of millons of dollars to run a major war, and i think thats where your problem is.
NO mater what clinton did to get the economy in good shape, it's the same as australia, we have ( i think we still do) a 300 millon dollar CASH surplus. and he left the country with a 500 mil dollar surplus, wether it was cash or not it was in the positives, which he had turned around from the previous bush government of 100's of mil of dollars in deficit. SO he did pretty much what he had to do to get the his counrty back on track.
i think that no matter what your gripe is with the democrats and the clintons, base line is, he handed the country over to bush in good shape and bush destroyed that. it's like here i can see our current government just screwing up our great economy and leaving us pissing in the wind again, next to the bigger countries |
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Jaack. I think your wrong.
BUT it's really hard for me to debate this issue because, i am not in america and don't know all about what happened during the clinton years but i am learning more and more.
Having said that, it cost 100 of millons of dollars to run a major war, and i think thats where your problem is.
NO mater what clinton did to get the economy in good shape, it's the same as australia, we have ( i think we still do) a 300 millon dollar CASH surplus. and he left the country with a 500 mil dollar surplus, wether it was cash or not it was in the positives, which he had turned around from the previous bush government of 100's of mil of dollars in deficit. SO he did pretty much what he had to do to get the his counrty back on track.
i think that no matter what your gripe is with the democrats and the clintons, base line is, he handed the country over to bush in good shape and bush destroyed that. it's like here i can see our current government just screwing up our great economy and leaving us pissing in the wind again, next to the bigger countries |
that's fine.
It cost trillions of $$$ to lose the towers and all the business they generated. It costs more in misery when American civilians are murdered.
It costs trillions$$$$ to support lazy ass people who choose to not work cause it cuts into their time.
So I really don't care about the how much a war that has needed to happen for 30 years or more costs. That's a constitutional duty of our federal government, welfare is not. |
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Here's one article. Everyone has Google, use it yourself.
"Most of the rest of the decline results from lower interest payments."
And why is 1969 relevant as being the last time there was a balanced budget? Umm cause that was the beginning of Johnson's Great [steal from] Society plan.
Nope CG, e, and whomever it was not Vietnam. That was started by JFK, and is an actual responsibility of the Federal Govt.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_199803/ai_n8793796
Clinton's budget balanced on backs of taxpayers
When President Bill Clinton recently presented his budget for fiscal year 1999, which begins on October I, he pointed with great pride to the projection of a balanced budget next year, the first since 1969. Following are some points Clinton chose not to emphasize:
Higher federal taxes account for half of the decline in the deficit. In fiscal year 1992, federal revenues consumed 17.8% of gross domestic product (GDP), according to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB).
In 1999, federal taxes are expected to eat up 20.1% of GDP, an increase of 2.3%. With GDP estimated to be $8.8 trillion next year, this means Americans will be paying an additional $200 billion more in federal taxes than they would if they remained at their pre-Clinton percentage of GDP.
To his credit, Clinton has also reduced spending significantly. Federal outlays in 1999 will have fallen from 22.5% of GDP in 1992 to 20%.
However, three-quarters of this decline is due solely to lower defense spending, which will have fallen from 4.9% of GDP in 1992 to 3. 1% next year. Most of the rest of the decline results from lower interest payments.
Domestic spending, both discretionary and entitlements, has been virtually untouched. Domestic discretionary spending was 3.5% of GDP in 1992 and is estimated at 3.2% in 1999. Entitlements were 11.2% of GDP in 1992 and will be 11.1% next year.
In short, the budget has been balanced almost entirely on the backs of taxpayers and at the expense of our national security.
Heavy Cuts in Defense Procurement and Research
Although a sharp cut in defense spending was justified by the fall of the Soviet Union, the Clinton Administration has cut disproportionately into the "investment" side of the defense budget: procurement and research and development. Real procurement spending has dropped about 50% in real terms during the Clinton's Administration. Thus, by early next century, some 70% of all military aircraft will be more than 40 years old.
By contrast, the administration has cut far less out of the "consumption" portion of the defense budget: personnel and operations and maintenance. Indeed, his foreign adventures in Haiti and Bosnia forced larger cuts in procurement than initially planned. Thus, as defense expert Loren Thompson of the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution notes, it is ironic that an administration that came into office preaching long-term investment has consistently sacrificed investment in defense to maintain consumption.
It is too soon to say what price we will pay for Clinton's shift in budgetary priorities. But it is worth noting that the nation's last balanced budget was closely followed by a sharp recession.
Mr. Bartlett, a nationally syndicated columnist. is a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis.
Copyright Human Events Publishing, Inc. Mar 6, 1998
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| And don't forget if it wasn't for the tech bubble the end of the decade of depravity would have been much worse. |
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WHat the iraq's do in there own counrty is there own problem. yes they were in a bad way but why is it our place to tell them they are wrong?? and on that idea, why don't we invade north korea or china??
I am sure that the towers collapsing didn't cost the american economy 700 TRILLION dollars. I don't wanna point this out but america is on the verge on a total and finacial collapse. You have major lenders going under and you have dropped your interest rate to 2% so that millions of people aren't left homeless.
please give me a break on the cutting of defence money. are you really that scared of the rest of the world?? he cut defence spending what 5%, i think that clinton believed that there are better ways of world polotics than bombing the **it outta poor innocent people (see vietnam).
i think clintons finacial planning for the counrty was and is a hell of a lot more realistic than both bushes but together
Howard brought in the GST (goods and services tax) under great anger to a lot of australians but it saved the country. our taxes went up too under the Howard governement but it NEEDED to be done. and i am more than happy to admit that i hated howard for a very long long time, for it but he gave this country the opportunity to be one of the most financially sufficent counrties in the world. Now that the Rudd government has come in htey have cut taxes and started spending and i can see us heading down americas track if they don't pull there heads in. |
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No it's not.
Iraq lost the Gulf War in 1991, get your facts straight.
Why don't you go after Russia then for invading Georgia? |
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Towers? Sure Al-qaeda did that but Bush shut down the Airline industry for a week, which did not in anyway help eleviate passenger fears or an already troubled industry. Along with new transport security problems and soaring gas prices the tourist industry has suffered greatly.
Whether you like him or not Clintons eight years were the best 8 years economically for the citizens in this country since before Nixon, everything before and after Clinton has been lousy. We can say it's because of Clinton or we can say its not but I've seen this economy in bad shape since the 70s and it was only in the 90s it was any good. |
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sure the list is huge what about in the 60's and 70's with england occupying ireland. What about the atrocities going on in zimbabwai (sp).
if iraq lost then why the hell did we have to invade again??
Look there is a very good arguement for going into iraq but it is common knowlegde that the bush government is in bed with the saudi's. so by them occupying iraq gives them greater stand point with the saudi's.
and are you saying no america is not on the verge of financle collapses?? cause if you are you had better have a double take at what is really going on in your own counrty. I am considering looking into investing in property over there it's that bad. you can get cheap house due to the number of forclosures.
I think this comes down to, there are a number of things the caused 9-11, sure clinton was probably to blame for some part of it,. I have no doubt bush is to blame As well, there are lots of things that contributed. it was not just one thing but many. |
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Towers? Sure Al-qaeda did that but Bush shut down the Airline industry for a week, which did not in anyway help eleviate passenger fears or an already troubled industry. Along with new transport security problems and soaring gas prices the tourist industry has suffered greatly.
Whether you like him or not Clintons eight years were the best 8 years economically for the citizens in this country since before Nixon, everything before and after Clinton has been lousy. We can say it's because of Clinton or we can say its not but I've seen this economy in bad shape since the 70s and it was only in the 90s it was any good. |
Yeah right, duck and cover clintoris. he did a real bang up blo-job. Good for him.
We can balance the budget right now. Cut the welfare system, and the edumucation dept, and the epa, and all the other unConstitutional departments. Great start.
And don't even give me the Airline shut down.
You on the left grasp at any thing to bitch, whine or complain about. Ya'll gave him all kinds of shite over staying in the classroom FULL of kids to not alarm them.
Ya'll mental midgets would have bitched like hilldo clintoris if the airlines weren't grounded.
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