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Aquatank
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| Hey lets not confuse real Republicans with the neo-stealth fascist that are running the show at the RNC and squashing non-McCain delegates. |
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Jaack
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| I can't because i couldn't be stuff looking for it atm. i will though most likely tomorrow when i am more awake |
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Let me know when you quit being a shill for Mainstream [codeword for leftist] Media. |
You BV Righties can't be for real. 
You all are to the Republican Party what Colonel Klink's Germans were to the Nazi Party. |
Now that's funny. Finally something funny. |
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e your brain cell must have colluded with itself for you to write something so lucid. I appreciate the effort.
Hey America trained you also, and look what good she's gotten from that as well.
BFD about OBL. We or someone will get him. |
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| Hey lets not confuse real Republicans with the neo-stealth fascist that are running the show at the RNC and squashing non-McCain delegates. |
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| Yall seem to forget that in 91, 92, 93 Clintoris refinanced the national debt |
This just stopped me right in my tracks, it left me floored.
Ya know Jaack, if you wanna sit here and blame Clinton's presidency for all the ills of the U.S., you could at least show enough fricken brains to know when his presidency began! He couldn't have been refinancing any national debt in 91 and 92, cause Bush Sr. was the god damn president (in case you didn't know)!
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Rob I know when the notes were due and when he refied them, |
Yeah, that is so apparent. In '91 Clinton wasn't just NOT the president, he wasn't even a front runner leading into the '92 primaries. Since you are a so-called know it all, how do you explain a middle of the rung candidate, the governor of a rube state that has had more residents appear on the Jerry Springer Show than the residents have teeth combined, was refinancing the national debt (a debt that was essentially created by Republicans)? He didn't have the authority in '91 or '92 to do anything of the sort!
And while we're at it... What exactly has Bush done regarding Bin Laden? The creep is still out there, Bush has managed to make enemies, put kinks in friendships, and bomb 2 countries, and yet Bin Laden is still there. Oh wait, we haven't been attacked in years... But then again, Bin Laden and Saddam, according to people like you, were in cahoots in planning 9/11, and Saddam was this really huge threat to American national security...
What president left Saddam in power in '91, enabling this supposed threat and alliance between Saddam and Bin Laden? |
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Jaack
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| Yall seem to forget that in 91, 92, 93 Clintoris refinanced the national debt |
This just stopped me right in my tracks, it left me floored.
Ya know Jaack, if you wanna sit here and blame Clinton's presidency for all the ills of the U.S., you could at least show enough fricken brains to know when his presidency began! He couldn't have been refinancing any national debt in 91 and 92, cause Bush Sr. was the god damn president (in case you didn't know)!
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Rob I know when the notes were due and when he refied them, |
Yeah, that is so apparent. In '91 Clinton wasn't just NOT the president, he wasn't even a front runner leading into the '92 primaries. Since you are a so-called know it all, how do you explain a middle of the rung candidate, the governor of a rube state that has had more residents appear on the Jerry Springer Show than the residents have teeth combined, was refinancing the national debt (a debt that was essentially created by Republicans)? He didn't have the authority in '91 or '92 to do anything of the sort!
And while we're at it... What exactly has Bush done regarding Bin Laden? The creep is still out there, Bush has managed to make enemies, put kinks in friendships, and bomb 2 countries, and yet Bin Laden is still there. Oh wait, we haven't been attacked in years... But then again, Bin Laden and Saddam, according to people like you, were in cahoots in planning 9/11, and Saddam was this really huge threat to American national security...
What president left Saddam in power in '91, enabling this supposed threat and alliance between Saddam and Bin Laden? |
It's called refinancing. Bonds that were locked in at a then low 30-year rate were then refinanced to a lower short-term 7 year rate. That on the books for the debt is like doing an ARM or interest only loan on a home. Looks good on paper.
Ummmmm
I seem to remember your ilk crying that we needed to stop short of baghdad? That's all you cried about after crying about the war, then you cried we didn't get sadam, so make up yall's pointless minds.
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Simple, Ronald Reagan was the cause of 9/11.
Everything is Reagan's fault. |
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| That's actually not far from the truth Blackjim. Eventwise 9-11 is directly linked to the US response of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s. If the USA had let things be, Afghanistan would have been pacified and any terrorism would have been directed at the Soviets. Instead the USA trains OBL and his comrades and they kick the Soviets out. Then the country falls into ruins with no real US help in rebuilding and becomes perfect breeding ground for warlords fanatics and terrorists. |
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| Which was caused by Carter. |
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| That's actually not far from the truth Blackjim. Eventwise 9-11 is directly linked to the US response of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s. If the USA had let things be, Afghanistan would have been pacified and any terrorism would have been directed at the Soviets. Instead the USA trains OBL and his comrades and they kick the Soviets out. Then the country falls into ruins with no real US help in rebuilding and becomes perfect breeding ground for warlords fanatics and terrorists. |
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
So we're supposed to have rebuilt afghanistan, but IraQ is out of the question. We;re supposed to be the insurace company for the world, but protecting or own interests, is out of the question.
Yopu libs are like this: try and make sense in one hand and crap in the other, and you're always amazed others don't think your crap makes sense. |
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| No Jaack, we should have let the Soviets keep Afghanistan. |
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I disagree, Aquatank. If you really want to point the Fickle Finger of Blame, try pointing it at the Soviets for invading Afghanistan in the first place. It was a sovereign nation, not a stepping stone for Vlad Lenin wanna-be's like Putin and his cronies. The Soviet occupation wrecked the Afghan economy, not our covert aid.
Don't forget the Col. Oliver North (USMC, ret.) scandal, which put an end to our aid. Personally, I wish he'd not been caught, and wasn't that a Democratic-led committee, with the investigation ramrodded by Newt Gingrich and Ted Kennedy? Blame THEM, since it was their investigation that killed our aid to Afghanistan.
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Carter sucker punched the Shaw and created Ayatollah Iran. Clinton was a vainglorious (balance budget buullsh*t) and is a damn liar:
This article appeared on cato.org on August 7, 1997.
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The historical irony is that the person most responsible for deficit reduction gets very little attention in the national media. The president who deserves the most credit for the fast-approaching balanced budget we are now witnessing is not Bill Clinton. And the Republican who deserves the most credit is not Newt Gingrich. Rather, the politician whose long-run policies are most responsible for leading us to a potential balanced budget next year is Ronald Reagan. Yes, Reagan, the man vilified by Clinton for "tripling the national debt in the 1980s."
Reagan's legacy affects us dramatically today in two ways. First, Reagan's anti-Communist foreign policy and his military buildup hastened the disintegration of the Soviet Union. In the past eight years, America's victory in the Cold War generated a half-trillion-dollar peace dividend. That peace dividend grows every year, and it fell like manna from heaven into President Clinton's lap. The budget deficit is falling, not primarily because Clinton raised taxes and not primarily because the congressional Republicans committed themselves to a balanced budget, but because the defense budget is nearly $100 billion lower today than when the Berlin Wall came down.
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...and only four times in American history have tax cuts been strongly employed:
1) Calvin Coolidge
2) John F. Kennedy
3) Ronald Reagan
4) George W. Bush
..and EACH time there was was a swell of wealth created in This Country...now...call me a liar wing nuts. |
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Of course, the Soviet invasion wrecked the Afghan economy. That's a duh.
However you are a missing two things. 1) Before the USA started training the militants in the country The Soviets had pretty much won with total pacification of the occupied expected in around 6 months. The arrival of US made stinger missiles and the Chernoyble disaster caused a full pull back in 3 months. 2) was the shift in Muslim extremist dogma towards full on trouble making. Ideas can't be killed and they spread rapidly. So the Iranian movement spread. It was after the Soviet pull out, when no aid came to help restructure the country that the extremists found their fuse lit when a number of small girls had been gang raped in the anarchy after the pull out and the extremists went vigilante forming "The" Taliban.
If the Soviets had stayed I'd first say pacification would likelty be triple the reported 6 months. Second of all the Soviet response to the crime may have been extreme enough to satisfy the religious extremists. But thats a tough call because the Soviets had been planting bombs in toys to pacify the populace by way of terror. They'd be no less war criminals than the US is now, probably even more so, and the occupation would unlikely have led to pull out ((if Chernoyble hadn't melted down and Rock & Roll hadn't been allowed into the nation in the quantities it had in the 1980s.))
The point is that any Muslim extremist terrorism would have been directed at the Soviets, and as long as the USA did not get involved future debacles against the USA would be unlikely except for the Israel problem. |
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Nice reply, 'Tank. But if you follow the line of reasoning employed to its logical conclusion, it reads thus:
Great Britain is to blame, for fostering the notions of individual freedom which led to the creation of The United States, the home of James Carter, whose ineptitude at dealing effectively with a Middle East crisis fathered the idea that the United States was vulnerable to militant Islam terrorism; the founding fathers of Jazz music, which is responsible for the evolution of rock and roll music.
Take it all the way back to Alexandria, if you care; the connection can be traced by deductive reasoning. Toss in the classical works of the great authors, trace that back to Mesopotamia...you get the idea.
Alternatively, stop pointing fingers and try working on rational solutions. Mankind in general is to blame for the current state of affairs. |
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